They can try to throw buckets of water on these flames but this fire not extinguishable!
Apostate Kate
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Created by Jehovah Witnesses?
by GodisRight incan you believe that this website was made by a pro jehovah witness?
i thought "apostates" were responsible for setting this thing up!
i was reading posts made within the first month of this website's existence and all the members here were loyal to the wtbts.
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As a JW how do/did you feel about 6 billion people being destroyed?
by jwfacts inhow else can a person justify that jehovah will destroy 6 billion people, innocent children included?
i could never accept that i deserved salvation whereas almost no one else did.
it put me on permanent spiritual edge because i thought the slave is right so the doctrine of destruction must be, but my heart always knew it was wrong.
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Apostate Kate
I began to refuse to go to the meetings between 13 and 14 years old. It was about a year before 1975. I did not believe that God was creating babies only to plan on killing them in 1975. I had a natural knowledge inside me that God was good. Life was beautiful. Nature was glorius in all its diversity.
As far as hell goes, I believe that there is spirit within me. That spirit will not die, and all the love we have ever known will go with us. I have no desire to spend eternity with baby molestors and the truly evil. They need to be where they are happy, they hate beautiful things, they abuse beautiful people, they destroy children. There is a natural balance in all things; good evil, day and night, the sun the moon, hatred and love.
I went back to the meetings as an adult and Mother Theresa had just started many group homes and charities;
Beginning in 1980, homes began to spring-up for drug addicts, prostitutes, battered women, and more orphanages and schools for poor children around the world. In 1985, Mother Teresa established the first hospice for AIDS victims in New York. Later homes were added in San Francisco and Atlanta. Mother Teresa was awarded Medal of Freedom, the highest U.S. civilian award.
I still did not yet have the WTBTS out of my ststem. The elders wives who were studying with me said that Mother Theresa in all her goodness would die at Armageddon. Again I knew that just was not in line with what was in my heart.
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Apostate Kate
Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
They don't even like me.
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What does Acts 15 mean, people "called by my name"? Help needed!
by jwfacts inis this referring to jehovah or jesus?
i am in discussion with someone and need an answer that would satisfy a thick skulled jw.. in the nwt it says .
(acts 15:15-18) 15 and with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written, 16 after these things i shall return and rebuild the booth of david that is fallen down; and i shall rebuild its ruins and erect it again, 17 in order that those who remain of the men may earnestly seek jehovah, together with people of all the nations, people who are called by my name, says jehovah, who is doing these things, 18 known from of old.
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Apostate Kate
2 Corinthians 3:16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.KJV
The vail shall be taken away. They shall then understand the true meaning of the prophecies, and the true nature of their own institutions. They shall see that they refer to the Lord Jesus, the
incarnate Son of God, and the true Messiah.Barnes2 Cor 3: 16 But when there is a turning to Jehovah, the veil is taken away. New World Translation
This passage is the stupidest mistake. To add the name Jehovah here, when you read the whole chapter makes no sense at all. The Jews had a personal relationship with Jehovah. They had the temple, the Arch of the Covenent, Moses. They would see the fullness of Gods glory as revealed in Christ, through which the veil is removed.
2 Corinthians 3:13-18 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
2Co 3:17
Verse 17. Now the Lord is that Spirit. The word "Lord" here evidently refers to the Lord Jesus. 2Co 3:16. It may be observed in general in regard to this word, that where it occurs in the New Testament, unless the connexion requires us to understand it of God, it refers to the Lord Jesus. It was the common name by which he was known. See Joh 20:13; 21:7,12; Eph 4:1,5. The design of Paul in this verse seems to be to account for the "liberty" which he and the other apostles had, or for the boldness, openness, and plainness (2Co 2:12) which they evinced in contradistinction from the Jews, who so little understood the nature of their institutions. He had said, (2Co 3:6,) that he was a minister "not of the letter, but of the Spirit;" and he had stated that the Old Testament was not understood by the Jews who adhered to the literal interpretation of the Scriptures. He here says, that the Lord Jesus was "the Spirit" to which he referred, and by which he was enabled to understand the Old Testament so as to speak plainly, and without obscurity. The sense is, that Christ was the Spirit; i.e., the sum, the substance of the Old Testament. The figures, types, prophecies, etc., all centered in him, and he was the end of all those institutions. If contemplated as having reference to him, it was easy to understand them. This I take to be the sentiment of the passage, though expositors have been greatly divided in regard to its meaning. Thus explained, it does not mean absolutely and abstractly that the Lord Jesus was "a Spirit," but that he was the sum, the essence, the end, and the purport of the
Mosaic rites, the spirit of which Paul had spoken in 2Co 3:6, as contradistinguished from the letter of the law. Barnes -
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What does Acts 15 mean, people "called by my name"? Help needed!
by jwfacts inis this referring to jehovah or jesus?
i am in discussion with someone and need an answer that would satisfy a thick skulled jw.. in the nwt it says .
(acts 15:15-18) 15 and with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written, 16 after these things i shall return and rebuild the booth of david that is fallen down; and i shall rebuild its ruins and erect it again, 17 in order that those who remain of the men may earnestly seek jehovah, together with people of all the nations, people who are called by my name, says jehovah, who is doing these things, 18 known from of old.
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Apostate Kate
Sorry guys for the sloppy post, I did it in the middle of the night, in the dark, in bed, with hubby trying to sleep next to me
After many years of research I have come to the conclusions that the Bible is very clear as to the Divine Nature of Jesus. As many mainstream evangelicals will explain His substance; Jesus is equal in nature to the Father, subordinate in function. For instance only Jehovah/Jesus is omnipotent and omnipresent; Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there I am in the midst of them." of course the Watchtowers' great and learned scholars will say "oh year symbolically" even though there is nothing to confirm that but their own opinion.
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New Catch Word "ADMINISTRATION"
by Balsam inok i have the february 15th 2006 watchtower and starting on page 17 para 7 the gb are cashing in on a new catchword for this article and the next following ones.
wt study "an administration" for fulfilling god's purpose .
take from ephesians 1:9,10. nwt quote .
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Apostate Kate
How about "Opinionated leaders?"
That would be a more honest catchword.
yeah or "victims of victims and followers of followers" ~Crisis of Conscience
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What does Acts 15 mean, people "called by my name"? Help needed!
by jwfacts inis this referring to jehovah or jesus?
i am in discussion with someone and need an answer that would satisfy a thick skulled jw.. in the nwt it says .
(acts 15:15-18) 15 and with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written, 16 after these things i shall return and rebuild the booth of david that is fallen down; and i shall rebuild its ruins and erect it again, 17 in order that those who remain of the men may earnestly seek jehovah, together with people of all the nations, people who are called by my name, says jehovah, who is doing these things, 18 known from of old.
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Apostate Kate
Acts 15:15-18 This agrees with the words of the prophets. As it is written, 'After these things I will return. I will again build the tent of David, which has fallen. I will again build its ruins. I will set it up, That the rest of men may seek after the Lord; All the Gentiles who are called by my name, Says the Lord, who does all these things. All his works are known to God from eternity.'
Ac 15:17
Verse 17. That the residue of men. This verse is quoted literally from
the Septuagint, and differs in some respects from the Hebrew. The
phrase, "the residue of men," here is evidently understood, both by
the Seventy and by James, as referring to others than the Jews-- to
the Gentiles. The rest of the world--implying that many of them
would be admitted to the friendship and favour of God. The Hebrew
is, "that they may possess the remnant of Edom." This change is
made in the Septuagint by a slight difference in the reading of two
Hebrew words. The Seventy, instead of the Hebrew HEBREW
shall inherit, read HEBREW, shall seek of thee; and instead of
HEBREW Edom they read HEBREW, Man, or mankind, i.e.
men. Why this variation occurred, cannot be explained; but the
sense is not materially different. In the Hebrew, the word Edom has
undoubted reference to another nation than the Jewish; and the
expression means, that in the great prosperity of the Jews, after
their return, they should extend the influence of their religion to other
nations; that is, as James applies it, the Gentiles might be brought
to the privileges of the children of God.And all the Gentiles. Heb., All the heathen; i.e., all who were not
Jews. This was a clear prediction that other nations were to be
favoured with the light of the true religion, and that without any
mention of their conforming to the rites of the Jewish people.Upon whom my name is called. Who are called by my name, or who
are regarded by me as my people.Who doeth all these things. That is, who will certainly accomplish
this in its time.BarnesThat the residue of men. The Gentile world. This grand prophecy
of the calling of the Gentiles makes no mention of circumcision.
Peoples NTAmos 9:11 In that day I will raise up the tent of David who is fallen, and close up its breaches, and I will raise up its ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old;
In that day will I raise up the itabernacle of David that is fallen, and
close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will
build it as in the days of old:i. I will send the promised Messiah, and restore by him the spiritual
Israel; Ac 15:16. Geneva Bible FootnotesAm 9:11
11. In that day--quoted by James (Ac 15:16-17), "After this,"
that is, in the dispensation of Messiah (Ge 49:10; Ho 3:4-5).
tabernacle of David--not "the house of David," which is used of
his affairs when prospering (2Sa 3:1), but the tent or booth,
expressing the low condition to which his kingdom and family had
fallen in Amos' time, and subsequently at the Babylonian captivity
before the restoration; and secondarily, in the last days preceding
Israel's restoration under Messiah, the antitype to David (Ps
102:13-14; see on Cmt. on Isa 12:1). The type is taken from
architecture (Eph 2:20). The restoration under Zerubbabel can only
be a partial, temporary fulfilment; for it did not include Israel, which
nation is the main subject of Amos' prophecies, but only Judah; also
Zerubbabel's kingdom was not independent and settled; also all the
prophets end their prophecies with Messiah, whose advent is the
cure of all previous disorders. "Tabernacle" is appropriate to Him, as
His human nature is the tabernacle which He assumed in becoming
Immanuel, "God with us" (Joh 1:14). "Dwelt," literally, tabernacled
"among us" (compare Re 21:3). Some understand "the tabernacle of
David" as that which David pitched for the ark in Zion, after bringing it
from Obed-edom's house. It remained there all his reign for thirty
years, till the temple of Solomon was built, whereas the "tabernacle
of the congregation" remained at Gibeon (2Ch 1:3), where the
priests ministered in sacrifices (1Ch 16:39). Song and praise was
the service of David's attendants before the ark (Asaph, &c.): a type
of the gospel separation between the sacrificial service (Messiah's
priesthood now in heaven) and the access of believers on earth to
the presence of God, apart from the former (compare 2Sa 6:12-17;
1Ch 16:37-39; 2Ch 1:3).
breaches thereof--literally, "of them," that is, of the whole
nation, Israel as well as Judah.
as in . . . days of old--as it was formerly in the days of David
and Solomon, when the kingdom was in its full extent and undivided.
Jamieson Faucette footnotesIt is amazing what one can learn from true Greek Hebrew Theologians!
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What does Acts 15 mean, people "called by my name"? Help needed!
by jwfacts inis this referring to jehovah or jesus?
i am in discussion with someone and need an answer that would satisfy a thick skulled jw.. in the nwt it says .
(acts 15:15-18) 15 and with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written, 16 after these things i shall return and rebuild the booth of david that is fallen down; and i shall rebuild its ruins and erect it again, 17 in order that those who remain of the men may earnestly seek jehovah, together with people of all the nations, people who are called by my name, says jehovah, who is doing these things, 18 known from of old.
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Apostate Kate
John 15:27 and ye also bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning. (Jesus)
Joh 15:27
Verse 27. Ye also shall bear witness. You shall be witnesses to the
world to urge on them the evidences that the Lord Jesus is the
Messiah. (Swordsearch notes)Acts 1:22 beginning from the baptism of John, unto the day that he was received up from us, of these must one become a witness with us of his resurrection.
Acts 4:33 And with great power gave the apostles their witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
Acts 10:34-39 And Peter opened his mouth and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: but in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is acceptable to him. The word which he sent unto the children of Israel, preaching good tidings of peace by Jesus Christ (He is Lord of all.) -- that saying ye yourselves know, which was published throughout all Judaea, beginning from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; even Jesus of Nazareth, how God anointed him with the Holy Spirit and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the country of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom also they slew, hanging him on a tree.
Acts 22:15-16 For thou shalt be a witness for him unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard. And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on his name.
Acts 23:11 And the night following the Lord stood by him, and said, Be of good cheer: for as thou hast testified concerning me at Jerusalem, so must thou bear witness also at Rome.
Acts 26:16 But arise, and stand upon thy feet: for to this end have I appeared unto thee, to appoint thee a minister and a witness both of the things wherein thou hast seen me, and of the things wherein I will appear unto thee;
1 Peter 5:1 The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:
1 John 5:10-11 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in him: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he hath not believed in the witness that God hath borne concerning his Son. And the witness is this, that God gave unto us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. (even God is a witness of His Son)
Luke 24:46-48 and he said unto them, Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer, and rise again from the dead the third day; and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name unto all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem. Ye are witnesses of these things.
Acts 1:1-8 The first book I wrote, Theophilus, concerned all that Jesus began both to do and to teach, until the day in which he was received up, after he had given commandment through the Holy Spirit to the apostles whom he had chosen. To these he also showed himself alive after he suffered, by many proofs, appearing to them over a period of forty days, and speaking about God's Kingdom. Being assembled together with them, he charged them, "Don't depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which you heard from me. For John indeed baptized in water, but you will be baptized in the Holy Spirit not many days from now." Therefore, when they had come together, they asked him, "Lord, are you now restoring the kingdom to Israel?" He said to them, "It isn't for you to know times or seasons which the Father has set within His own authority. But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you. You will be witnesses to me in Jerusalem, in all Judea and Samaria, and to the uttermost parts of the earth."
Acts 2:32 This Jesus God raised up, to which we all are witnesses.
Acts 3:15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.
Acts 5:32 We are His witnesses of these things; and so also is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him." (The Holy Spirit also is a witness of Jesus)
It is all about JESUS.
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What Are You Doing To Prepare For Retirement?
by Apostanator ini'm curious as to what some of you are doing to prepare for retirement.
some people have 401k's, others buy real estate, some have many children in hopes that they will take care of them when they get old.
so i'm wondering what some of you are doing now to prepare.
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Apostate Kate
It took me years before I started thinking in terms of retirement. Tomorrow. The Future. I had a hard time imagining it or planning for it. (armygaddon?) I am already retired on disability. The only thing I could own was a home on land so I have done well in equity, almost paid off. Have a little CD.
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42 LOGICAL FALLACIES (of the con artist)
by DannyHaszard inad hominem
ambiguity
also known as equivocation.
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Apostate Kate
I love you Danny!!!
(I did not understand everything but will study some more)
When I talk to active JWs it is very obvious that they have been mentally manipulated. I honestly am very polite, caring and respectful and yet I get accused of "hating".
SELF-TERMINATING CLICHES --all apostates are 'full of hate' and 'hate the truth'.
This one I am talking to, I asked her to please show me the words I have used that convey hate. She could not and praise God she is softening up and some real communication is starting.
It has been some time since I was like that, but I was. 14 years since my last meeting and a lot has changed. It feels like it was another lifetime.
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